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    • rothesay vineyard - sunday 17th june
      "defeating the principalities and powers - practical and mundane spiritual warfare"
    • jesuit conference - april 10th-12th 2007
      hayes conference centre, derby, uk speaking on social justice and conflict resolution (particularly in the context of northern ireland) - what should we as christians be doing? trying to deconstruct the 'us' and 'them' boxes to stagger closer to reconciliation.

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    • Walter Wink: Naming the Powers: Language of Power in the New Testament (The Powers : Volume One)

      Walter Wink: Naming the Powers: Language of Power in the New Testament (The Powers : Volume One)
      i like wink a lot. anyone who can write an essay entitled "how i got snagged by the seat of my pants while reading the bible" is an instant hit in my book. couple this with an astute academic mind and a sincere desire to discover what it means to follow god in this generation and the man rises to virtual sainthood! this is the first in wink's series on the principalities and "powers" mentioned throughout the bible. it is necessarily the most academic of the three as it sets the groundwork for the subsequent conclusions he pulls out on the other two books. but he writes well and covers the technical ground well. this is an important book (particularly for the evangelical church i feel). wink's central thesis is that both the evangelical tradition (in believing the 'powers' to be wholly other-worldly, AND the liberation theology tradition (in locating the powers solely in this present world) are mistaken. both are challenged here - though his writing will raise the heckles of conservative evangelicals moreso than the liberationists i think. this is a welcome surefire antidote to the inane and socially irresponsible teaching that spiritual warfare is conducted solely (or even mostly) on one's knees, rather than on the picket line, in the workplace, in the voting booth, in the day-to-day of normal living. read it and buy an extra copy for your pastor! (***)

    • David Bodanis: E=mc2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation

      David Bodanis: E=mc2: A Biography of the World's Most Famous Equation
      an immensely readable account of the equation most people are likely to be able to quote but few can explain. bodanis takes each element in the equation and tells the tale of the people responsible for the major discoveries in that area to show upon whose shoulders einstein stood and what the consequences for the 20th and 21st centuries and beyond have been and are. don't be put off by the scientific nature of the subject matter, it really is written with the non-expert in mind. neat appendices tucked away at the back of the book and a web-site are where those wanting more detail are directed so as not to intimidate or overwhelm the masses. it really does read more like a social commentary/biography than a science book. enlightening and light. a rare combination. nice. (****)

    • Peter Rollins: How (Not) to Speak of God

      Peter Rollins: How (Not) to Speak of God
      How_not_to_speak_of_god_cover how (not) to speak of god is an important and beautiful book. we are living in a fractured time. we do not yet know what we are let alone where we are going other than (in rollins’ words) “away-from-here.” we are defined by what we are not (postmodern) and by the fact that we are moving, or emerging, but not yet by what we are or by any final destination. it’s easy to lose hope in this generation. all the enlightenment promises of certainty, provability and universal Truth now look jaded in the cold and often terrifying light of postmodern philosophical thought. into this arena steps my good friend, peter rollins and he is like a breath of fresh air. rollins is uniquely positioned to write this book of popular philosophical a/theology. he hails from the evangelical/charismatic tradition, so he is perfectly placed to offer a sensitive critique to that community; he has a doctorate in philosophy, so he is well-versed in nietzsche, jaques derrida, meister eckhart, jean-luc marion, hans-georg gadamer and so on and is able to appropritate their insights and criticisms into his and our theology; he has been a youth-worker and a conference speaker, so he has well-honed gifts in communication and is adept at making the profound intelligible to ordinary plebs like you and me; and he is actively involved in leadership of a christian community, so these issues are not theoretical to him, but deeply personal and practical. if you’ve heard pete speak you’ll know how passionate he is about these issues. if you have heard him on more than one occasion, then to be honest there will be little new here for you. but that is a long way from saying that the book is not worth buying and reading. i read my copy in one sitting and will no doubt return to it again and again. as i do with every book i read this with a pen and a yellow highlighter in hand so as to be able to remember the important bits and note where i disagreed or was provoked to think about something. it’s now with some sense of dismay that i flick through a book where practically every page has a radioactive glow to it! one of pete's chief gifts is in analogy and parable. how sad it is that jesus’ parables no longer take our breath away. truly great parables always have the audience nodding their heads as the story starts, thinking they know the ending right from the get-go only to be slapped in the face and completely offended by the shocking twist-in-the-tale. rollins stories are clever, poignant, offensive and often very moving. this is not a book of dull theology. this is a book of poetry. rollins’ concern is that people often ask him what he believes but never how he believes. in his view belief should always be transformative “the reversal from ‘right belief’ to ‘believing in the right way’ is in no way a move to some binary opposite of the first (for the opposite of right belief is simply wrong belief); rather, it is a way of transcending the binary altogether. thus orthodoxy is no longer (mis)understood as the opposite of heresy but rather is understood as a term that signals a way of being in the world rather than a means of believing things about the world… it is an approach which emphasises the priority of love: not as something which stands opposed to the knowledge of god, but, more radically still, as knowledge of god… orthodoxy, as believing in the right way, as bringing love to the world around us and within us … that will cost us everything. for to live by that sword, as we all know, is to die by it.” (pg 3.) if you find yourself agreeing with everything rollins says here, he’d probably say himself that you’re not reading carefully enough. this is a book to rock our comfortable boat, to provoke thought, to engage and begin a conversation with the reader. don’t read this if your theology is rock-solid and water-tight, this book will either shatter that faith completely or make you want to crucify the author as a heretic! i guess my only criticism of this book is that it’s left me hungry for more. i wish it had been two books rather than one. the first half of the book is the argument/discussion/theory; the second a series of ten liturgies, used by the ikon community in belfast to attempt to outwork the implications of living for christ today. liturgy needs to be experienced/said/shared to be truly effective. i want more of the thought-provoking insight contained in the first half. roll on book number two. i’m concerned that this review doesn’t do justice to the book. rollins is a much better communicator than i am. his words are much more poetic than mine. if i’ve made it sound dull, philosophical and high-brow i’ve misled you. if you think this is another book of wishy-washy new-age theology again that’s probably my fault, for nothing could be further from the truth. read this book and if you ever get the opportunity, go and listen to this humble pilgrim. it sounds like i’m on his payroll. to be honest i struggle with much of rollin’s insight and thought. as paul tillich points out, “most human beings of course are not able to stand the message of the shaking of the foundations. they reject and attack the prophetic minds, not because they really disagree with them, but because they sense the truth of their words and cannot receive it.” i may disagree with his thinking at times (though I fear he is right more than i like to admit) but his commitment to and love for god are never in question. this book is a call to love god and love people. sit up church. the voice of one calling “in the desert prepare the way of the lord.” there is a transformative message here for those who have ears to hear. (*****)

    • Bruce Ellis Benson: Graven Ideologies: Nietzche, Derrida & Marion on Modern Idolatry

      Bruce Ellis Benson: Graven Ideologies: Nietzche, Derrida & Marion on Modern Idolatry
      ah what a welcome book! at last an evangelical who actually understands and takes seriously what nietzsche, derrida and marion (as well as many others such as husserl, heidegger, leotard, gadamer...) say. i'm so tired of reading christians, who really ought to know better, wailing a lament for a non-existent time past when everyone 'knew' the Truth, God could be proved and placed in a little rational box, and everyone knew right from wrong. these writers herald deconstructionism and phenomenology as simple relativism leading to inevitable nihilism; they set postmodern philosophy up as a straw man, astonishing (and sedating) us with their intellectual prowess, as they proceed to scare the big, bad, postmodern bogeyman away. benson points out that not only is this bogeyman not going anywhere fast, but he should be welcomed as a friend.

      foundationalism is dead and gone - everyone (with the possible exception of the christian writers referred to above) knows this. the enlightenment deceived us. rather than nietzsche being the nihilist, benson points out that he simply pointed out the inevitable nihilism which results from modernism, and the christian morality which ties itself too closely with it.

      now that we know that there is no foundation for knowledge (and never has been) which cannot be undermined somehow, benson forces the evangelical church to sit up and ask, 'what now?' here we find help in surprising places (at least for some). benson shows how the three thinkers in his title offer us some possible paths through this crisis.

      his writing is clear and engaging and one quickly realises that this is somone who has read beyond the flycover of these authors - he has grappled with their thought at length. this would be a great first introduction to these philosophical greats, and really ought to be read by every thinking christian to see how we in the church ought to 'be' in our time.

      brilliant. go. read.

      now.

      that is all. (*****)

    • Stanley J. Grenz: Renewing the Center: Evangelical Theology in a Post-Theological Era

      Stanley J. Grenz: Renewing the Center: Evangelical Theology in a Post-Theological Era
      stan grenz died in march 2005. his voice will be much missed in the contemporary debate within evangelicalism. although holding on to (too?) much traditional evangelical orthodoxy, grenz argues that evangelicals harken back to enlightenment principles (such as decartes' foundational view of epistemology) rather than facing up to the realities of the current thinking and new philosophical discoveries. this book is useful again as it addresses evangelicals in their own terms. no evangelical will be alienated by this book, but will find themselves gently nudged leftwards. therein lies my only criticism: the evangelical church needs dragged kicking and screaming and i wonder if this nudge is too subtle to really do the job. (***)

    • carl raschke: the next reformation: why evangelicals must embrace postmodernity

      carl raschke: the next reformation: why evangelicals must embrace postmodernity
      raschke writes from within the evangelical community. he writes with academic acumen and passion - a rare combination. this book is a really great introduction to the genuine postmodern debate, rather than the characature or straw man often presented in evangelical circles. raschke neither demonises nor lionises postmodernity, but simply shows the opportunities now facing church as a result of this new zeitgeist. rather than ignoring or rejecting culture outright, the church must realise that culture is amoral - available for appropriation and shaping - NOT immoral. that being the case, raschke is unrelenting in revealing just how completely the church has bought in to (or sold out to) modernity. the new challanges postmodernity presents us with as christians cannot be disregarded any longer. fore-warned is fore-armed. this book is apposite counsel. agree or disagree with raschke, he will not be easily dismissed. he is too briefly dismissive of the radical orthodoxy movement and his last couple of chapters are less rigorous and academic than the rest - he seems to come close to suggesting that the charismatic movement is the ideal representation of postmodern church. this could have been remedied by more rigorous editing as it is obvious they would be better suited to a more testimonial-type book. the rest, however, is excellent. (****)

    • E.P. Sanders: Paul: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introduction S.)

      E.P. Sanders: Paul: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introduction S.)
      this is a lovely series of books - beautifully simple presentation. this one is a reprint of sanders earlier "paul" (1971). he single-handedly changed the way the apostle paul is studied in theology - reponsible for the so-called "new perspective on paul". this is a very readable and enjoyable introduction to the most important christian theologian of all time. whether you've studied theology or not this tiny little book will whet your appetite for more! while you're at it buy a copy for your pastor/minister/priest. easy to fit in your pocket and read in a couple of hours on the train. (****)

    • John Caputo: On Religion (Thinking in Action S.)

      John Caputo: On Religion (Thinking in Action S.)
      ok so jack caputo's a total heretic. tell him something he doesn't know! this book is beautiful. caputo is an inspirational writer. his most mundane prose still rings with a poetry that puts most authors (never mind theologians!) to shame. his thoughts are always challenging (especially to those of an evangelical persuasion) but this is postmodern theology at its best. you don't have to believe everything he says to appreciate the beauty of his thinking. highly recommended. (****)

    • James D. G. Dunn: A New Perspective on Jesus: What the Quest for the Historical Jesus Missed (Acadia Studies in Bible and Theology)

      James D. G. Dunn: A New Perspective on Jesus: What the Quest for the Historical Jesus Missed (Acadia Studies in Bible and Theology)
      a genuinely fresh insight. james dunn's book attempts to do for jesus what he has previously attempted to do for paul - get back to the original. traditionally trying to get back to the 'real' jesus results in 'the jesus seminar' type approach - religating anything which smacks of the supernatural to get back to 'the historical jesus.' dunn argues tis approach is doomed to fail; that the ONLY record we have of jesus is that written through the eyes of faith. jesus' disciples talked about him, wrote about him, followed him BECAUSE they believed he was the messiah. the 'historical' jesus is therefore synonymous with the christ of faith. wonderful insight. easy to read and thoroughly engaging. a great counter to post-liberal scholarship. a valuable voice in the continuing debate over the nature and identity of jesus. (****)

    • Alain Badiou: Saint Paul: The Foundation of Universalism (Cultural Memory in the Present)

      Alain Badiou: Saint Paul: The Foundation of Universalism (Cultural Memory in the Present)
      an interesting find this one: an atheist writing on paul! now before you turn away in disdain, he's got some really interesting and profound insight. it's only 128 pages so it's not going to suck up your entire life to take some time looking it over. he argues that paul sees the world in terms of jews and greeks who look to prophets and philosophers respectively as sources of authority. badiou argues that paul is able to appeal for universal acceptance of the truths he proclaims by appealing to apostolic authority in opposition to jewish and greek authority figures. interesting, challenging and insightful. (****)

    • ed. Merold Westphal: Postmodern Philosophy and Christian Thought
      i liike westphal. this book is clear and challenging and includes many diverse responses to postmodernist thought. there is no doubt at all that we are moving beyond modernism yet (as with most things) the church has been slow to respond. this reader, although academic, is very approachable and clearly written. Contributors include: Steven Bouma-Prediger, John D. Caputo, George Connell, Andrew J. Dell'Olio, Garrett Green, Lee Hardy, Brian D. Ingraffia, Walter Lowe, Jean-Luc Marion, Gary Percesepe, Merold Westphal, W. Jay Wood, Norman Wirzba, and Edith Wyschogrod. if there's not someone in that group who gets under your skin and makes you itchy for more, you're just not trying! (****)
    • Brian D. McLaren: A Generous Orthodoxy: Why I Am a Missional, Evangelical, Post/Protestant, Liberal/Conservative, Mystical/Poetic, Biblical, Charismatic/Contemplative, Fundamentalist/Calvinist, Anabaptist/Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Green, Incarnational, Depressed-yet-Hopeful, Emergent, Unfinished CHRISTIAN

      Brian D. McLaren: A Generous Orthodoxy: Why I Am a Missional, Evangelical, Post/Protestant, Liberal/Conservative, Mystical/Poetic, Biblical, Charismatic/Contemplative, Fundamentalist/Calvinist, Anabaptist/Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Green, Incarnational, Depressed-yet-Hopeful, Emergent, Unfinished CHRISTIAN
      What a breath of fresh air Brian McLaren is. He's another one like Jimmy Dunn who encourages me to stay within the evangelical church. he's DELIBERATELY provocative and abstruse to encourage and open up discussion rather than close it down (a point many of his detractors seem to forget!) He tries to take the best from the many traditions within Christendom while generously overlooking their weaknesses. of course i don't agree with all he says. but of course i've never found an author with whom i totally agree. How dull if i did! that's what makes them thought-provoking and challenging to me! fresh and inspiring. (*****)

    • D. A. Carson: Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church : Understanding a Movement and Its Implications

      D. A. Carson: Becoming Conversant with the Emerging Church : Understanding a Movement and Its Implications
      ok so it's carson so you prety much know from the outset where he's coming from. I'm fascinated by the emerging church movement (no doubt you'll read more and more about it on this site.) The biggest criticism i have of the it is that often it's a movement in search of a theology. although carson critiques the movement from the right he gives a more sympathetic hearing to emerging church than you might think. it's certainly a good book to introduce mainstream to conservative evangelicals to the opportunities (as well as what carson sees as some pitfalls) presented by living in our times. (***)

    • G.K. Chesterton: Orthodoxy

      G.K. Chesterton: Orthodoxy
      what do you mean you haven't read this???!!! Stop wasting your time on the internet and GET THIS BOOK!!! I first read this book 15 years ago but i think it's only now that i'm appreciating the sheer genius of the man! If anyone can read chapter 4 'The Ethics of Elfland' without a huge smile on their face i'll eat ... well at least a donut on your behalf!! Truly postmodern apologetics at it's best. Chesterton argues persuasivley that the MOST real and factual things we know do not come through science or mathematics but fairy tales. GENIUS!!! (*****)

    • Leonard Sweet: Church in Emerging Culture: Five Perspectives

      Leonard Sweet: Church in Emerging Culture: Five Perspectives
      Another book that gives me hope. The Church in general and the evangelical church in particular seems hell-bent on ignoring culture at best or, in the scant attention it does pay, seems to be focused soley on denouncing rather than on understanding and assimilating where appropriate. This book is a good popular attempt to support a dialogue within the evangelical church on various options for progress. The foramat of this book is also novel and interesting. Each of the authors writes their owb chapters (coming from very disparate theological stances within evangelicalism) which are interspersed in grayscale with supportive or argumentative responses from the other authors. [Not really sure i'm communicating that well. Take a wee look at the book and you'll instantly understand what i'm talking about.] The overall impression becomes one of an emerging conversation and discussion rather than a univocular polemic. This isn't an academic book (i mean that in a good way!) so definitely pick it up and give it a go. (****)

    • Anthony C. Thiselton: The First Epistle to the Corinthians (New International Greek Testament Commentary Series)

      Anthony C. Thiselton: The First Epistle to the Corinthians (New International Greek Testament Commentary Series)
      Well it's not exactly a quick read weighing in at an astounding 1480 pages but this commentary is EXCELLENT. What can i say. I've had the privilege of being taught by Anthony. He's a legend. Reading Anthony is like reading EVERYONE who's ever said ANYTHING theological about 1st Corinthians. It's easy to become overwhelmed with the sheer enormity of the research this volume represents, but Anthony's style is always fresh and engaging. He gives his own translation from the Greek and then gives lucid and (IMHO) balanced comment on the various positions that have been taken on this letter while not hesitating to nail his own colours to the mast. This is highly recommended for anyone who has an interest in hermeneutics or Pauline theology in general or 1st Corinthians in particular. (*****)

    • James Dunn: The Theology of Paul the Apostle

      James Dunn: The Theology of Paul the Apostle
      jimmy dunn's a bit of a star. he's one of the authors that keeps me calling myself an evangelical. if there's room for the likes of him there's room for me. his writing is easy to read, scholarly and engaging - an unusual mix! add to this dunn's ability to take on board the latest theological discoveries on Paul without losing the wonder of the salvation Paul himself seeks to describe and proclaim and you've got a great theology text. (****)

    • Bible & Culture Collective: The Postmodern Bible

      Bible & Culture Collective: The Postmodern Bible
      an interesting collection of essays on various approaches adopted by postmodern theologians to biblical criticism - including reader-response, deconstructionalist and a host of others. (***)

    sites to see

    • atto :: helloatto.com
      this is the site of my good friends pete and heather. you've just gotta take a wee look. they're doing some really lovely things in visual communication. their main focus at the moment is on interactive children's books which are really quite delicious. pete worked for me when madministries was a thing. he made me look good. the site's still there (www.madministries.com) if you want to go see though mad* has expired long ago and is no more. everything that looks lovely here, from web design to posters for cheap date all originated in his wee head. how clever!
    • emergingchurch.info : a touching place for the emerging church
      this is a place which intrigues me. you'll be challenged, provoked, infuriated and hopefully enlightened (maybe even altered?!) especially check out pete rollins wee interview at http://www.emergingchurch.info/stories/cafe/peterollins/index.htm. nice.
    • ikon - belfast
      a rare and beautiful thing: an emerging church with thought and theology behind it! the founding guy behind it, pete rollins (philosopher/theologian/prophet/guru/teller of tales) is a good friend of mine. i miss seeing him more regularly now we live over in chester but i don't think there's anyone in my life who challenges my thinking more than pete. he's probably the smartest person i've met but isn't totally arsey with it - another rarity! we disagree frequently and vigorously but pete has an integrity linking his theology to his life which means he is always worth listening to and learning from. he says people ask too often what he believes but rarely want to know 'how' he believes; how his belief alters him, betters him, makes him more like jesus. in this vein i think pete believes well.
    • madministries.com
      well the site may look a little outdated now but back in the day it was way ahead of the field thanks to the genius of pete kerr. what's more important is the content. i founded mad* in 1999 and worked for it for three very happy years before moving over to Chester. read some of the testimonies of people who where impacted by this ministry. it was such a privelege to be involved. hopefully Fake will take things in a new and even more exciting direction.
    • Third Way Magazine
      i've subscribed to Third Way for over a decade now. every issue there'll be at least one article which will cause you to think. the only christian magazine in the uk worth handing over your hard-earned cash for. essential reading!
    • wee alli's page
      this is the page of my beautiful, smart wee wife alli, with all her thoughts and musings on life and stuff. click constantly on it as she's much more faithful at updating than i am! o and she's nice.
    • Welcome to Emergent Village
      it was brian mclaren who first switched me on to this project. come and be.

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    thus saith the l-rd

    Dsc_2482such is the fear of breaking the third commandment any practicing jew will not say, or even write, the word "god"; "g-d" appears instead. there is a reluctance, a hesitancy, about attaching the name of yhwh to any human utterance at all.

    the contrast with many evangelical circles, particularly those of a more charismatic flavour, could not be greater. the 'god-language' is used fast and loose. "god says" this, and "god want us to do" that. such language is powerful. as well as encouraging, comforting, healing and admonishing, it can control, oppress, close discussion and promote private agendas.

    i have seen the abuse of the 'god language' too many times to enumerate. a guy splits up with his girlfriend because 'god told me we shouldn't be going out together'' - no! he simply doesn't like the girl that much any more. but where's the harm you say. the harm is in the impression left in the jilted girl's mind: not only has she to deal with the trauma of splitting up with her true love, but now she also has residual guilt at having so missed what the lord was obviously saying and at having led her former boyfriend off the straight and narrow path.

    i remember being asked for help by the leadership of a church in restructuring leadership tiers and steering a new direction as the church was, in a very literal way, dying on its feet. so i studied for many hours, asked numerous questions and wrote a lengthy analysis and, at an extended leadership meeting, presented the report and answered questions for a couple of hours. of course, no-one was suggesting that every single one of the many recommendations be acted upon, but a real buzz was created and everyone agreed that there were at least some exciting possibilities.

    however, things changed dramatically when a week later, someone told the leadership that 'god had told them' that we should ... blah blah blah. this person had not studied the situation in any depth, were completely unaware of systemic flaws and faults within the church structures and, to be frank, were not widely known for their wisdom and insight. but their recommendations were pretty much implemented verbatim and the report shelved.

    now, of course, you've got to see an element of sour grapes in this - all the time and effort i had put in -  so i was pissed. but there's more to it. the assumption there was that there are degrees of inspiration and revelation with a "word from god" couched in the heady and florid "god says" language instantly trumping common sense, preparation, analysis, forethought and blatantly obvious recommendations. of course there was little to discuss now and no dissent as the perception was that the argument would no longer be with a mere mortal, but with the god who had 'said'! i still wonder if things would have been differently had i used this 'god-language' throughout my presentation.

    there have been a number of times in my life when people have approached me with various 'words from god', with differing degrees of applicability. the worst example came at a time in my life when i was particularly vulnerable. i was thick in the midst of the worst time of my life when some utter muppet i had never spoken to before approached me with a particularly spiteful 'word'. normally, it would have been like water off a duck's back, but this day, weakened as i was, the words fell on me like wet cement. they found their way into the deepest recesses of my suicidal soul confirming my very worst fears.

    i returned to my sister and brother-in-law's house where i was staying at the time and hid in a darkened room where they found me in tears several hours later. gently, patiently and with kind persistence they sifted the grain of wheat from the slew of chaff shifting through my mind, prayed with me and put me together again. as it turned out, this guy was notorious for giving these 'prophetic words' and was rarely close to target, so much so that he had been spoken to several times by the leadership of his church.

    the next week i returned to the guy's church and sought him out at the end of the service. i told him that i had taken what he had said and had checked it out with family and several close and trusted friends all of whom had confirmed that his words had no validity whatsoever. i then read him this passage from deuteronomy

    but any prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, or who presumes to speak in my name a word that i have not commanded the prophet to speak—that prophet shall die. you may say to yourself, “how can we recognize a word that the lord has not spoken?” if a prophet speaks in the name of the lord but the thing does not take place or prove true, it is a word that the lord has not spoken. the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; do not be frightened by it.
    ~ deuteronomy 18:20-22

    so i told him that i was getting a crowd together and we would go outside the city walls where we would stone him to death as he had presumed to speak in the name of god while uttering complete falsehood. the guy visibly blanched. only then did i say that of course we weren't going to kill him, but scripture said we should as he was playing with people's lives and the reputation of the most high.

    there is a sadness which sometimes enters the equation when we try to speak of spiritual experiences we have had to apparently cynical or jaded christian friends. we find ourselves accidentally lapsing into 'religious' language and become embarrassed. we are preoccupied with theological correctness as we stumble through our account of particularly significant moments in our lives and become suspicious, timid, wary of the charismata. when good friends talk with me i am capable of interpreting. of course they mean "i felt that god was saying..." when they say "god said..." and so on. they don't need to struggle to say it right all the time every time.

    but maybe there should be a struggle and some timidity when we come to speak of these things.

    when i throw a kid up i the air now i am consciously thinking about where i touch him when i catch him. when a kid is snuggling up on my knee i am consciously shifting them so their weight is on the end of my knee and not my crotch. when i tell this in the many child protection sessions i have taught some people say that it's really sad that i am thinking that way; that my relationship with the child is somehow sullied and i am not completely in the moment. my response is always the same: when you have heard as many first-hand stories of child abuse as i have these tiny sacrifices don't even seem like sacrifices at all for while i will not take advantage of the kid's familiarity with particular kinds of touch, the next person may well. part of being a grown-up is that i should be thinking about these things so that the kid never has to. although my experince may be slightly altered, the child's remains totally pure and innocent.

    it seems to me it's the same with 'god language'. we, who are grown up, ought to be very careful how we use our words. of course complete purity of expression is impossible, but it is still a worthy target. i am not denying profound spritual experiences, that god still speaks today, that miracles happen, that everything should be perfectly reasoned, reasonable and ordered, but am simply calling for caution.

    words have power - they can exalt one person over another; make some feel that their individual experience of and pilgrimage with god is somehow second rate. some people seem to have 'words', dreams, visions, 'senses' and 'promptings' a dozen times a day. for me, the count is around a dozen in my life so far. does that mean that god speaks to me, through me, less? that your blogging, teaching, writing is less inspired than someone's message to the church spoken in tongues? perhaps. but certainly not necessarily.

    so we must be careful how we speak of god. we are trying to express the inexpressible, to recount the ineffable, to say silence. it is an infinite task, but one which we must struggle to get better at.

    so what do you think? how do we speak of our encounters with god? have you been aware of the abuse of 'god language'? or does this piece make you feel sad because we are in danger of losing too much in a vain desire for theological correctness?

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    Welcome back, brother. I've missed you.
    Way to come back with a bang.

    I must echo your sentiments. I too have had wonderful, confirming words of knowledge spoken over me. I have also had vague, not-coming-true words spoken over me, though they did not carry the soul-shattering impact that you received.

    Preaching needs to carry with it a similar weight of responsibility, if not more. For the preacher reaches more hearers than a solitary word of knowledge given to an individual. When I preach, even though I am not giving a word of knowledge, per se. I am opening the Word of God and expounding on it to the degree that I am essentially saying, "Thus sayeth the Lord..." Is that really what He's saying? Preaching is a grave responsibility. And giving a word of knowledge to a brother or sister is also weighty matter not to be trifled with.

    Lord help us!

    "not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."
    ~ james 3:1

    this verse haunts me every time i teach.

    A dear friend and I were just speaking about this today. I am very aware of the "god language" and its ability to impact and manipulate people, which at times is unintentional. I think we do need to be aware that as we use "god language" more and more casually we loose our respect for the power behind it and in turn create apathy. Honestly how hard is it to add a simple precursor line “I FEEL…“Or “I sense …” What has happened to our reverence for the creator and the power of His name and the intimacy of his “voice” when it is extended to us? We have sacrificed it so that we can be taken more seriously and avoid having our faith challenged, because who can disagree with “God Said”

    When I speak I want to encourage discussion and growth which means I need to be mindful of the language choices I am making. I have had a few moments in my life where I have felt God’s direction, the rest of my life has been spent stepping out in faith and watching for the closing doors so they don’t slam in my face. That still small voice is just that in my life but precious when I feel as though I have experienced it.

    Thank you for the verse it is a powerful reminder! The one in response to Nathans post as well. (I agree with Nathanael that teachers need to be ever mindful of the WORD they speaking and what authority it is given, however “hearers” of the word need to be held accountable for their learning as well.) Blessings

    hit it on the head, shane.

    a few months ago a friend of mine came to somewhat distraught at being told her decision to go to university was questioned by a (bizarre) 'word' of knowledge, telling her that this 'next step' in life wasn't the right thing for her to do.

    it is absolutely incredible just how much weight subjectively determined charismata are given within the evangelical church.

    one fell swoop of "God has told me..." and automatically the dynamics of debate are not just shifted, but EXPECTED to shift!

    suddenly questioning the credibility of said word becomes 'arrogant', 'close minded' or 'stifling'. the questioner becomes 'awkward' and in effect, the big bad wolf. perhaps like you i'm releasing some bile at this point, because i think that problem is made all the more problematic when it is one engaged in leadership and theological reflection doing the questioning (talking from experience). then the questioner is being 'stuffy' and academic, patronising and short sighted.

    there's seldom an expectation that proper, scriptural reflection and 'testing' should take place (1 Thess 5:21; 1 Cor 14:29), but instead we are presented with the altogether suffocating expectation that no view or rebuke will/can/should take place.

    i've had so, so, so, so many experiences of this - and to be honest, i'm so so so so sick of being the 'big bad wolf'.

    i find it depressing that doing what scripture demands of us brings not pleasure and repute among the body of Christ, but scorn and charges of condescension. evidently, the subjective rule of faith that has come to define charismaticism is not to be questioned!

    well, after that long rant, i should probably say that after dispensing some more... controlled... advice to my friend, she later came to the perspective that the one giving the 'word' was woefully misguided, and subsequently (and graciously) told him where to go :)

    i was then guided to this:

    "8 For thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let the prophets and the diviners who are among you deceive you, and do not listen to the dreams that they dream, 9 for it is a lie that they are prophesying to you in my name; I did not send them, says the Lord" - Jer 29:8-9, NRSV

    this possibility of error in prophetic proclamation should scare us to our bones - and bring us back on our knees to wrestle, communally and individually, with God's word in Christ and scripture.

    after all, the fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom, after all...

    alas. i see none of it.

    good post, magee! sorry for the rant.

    in short: 'i agree'.

    dear me, the typos are horrific.

    "my eyes, my eyes!"

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